Lets ban them from public office because that’s why too hard and compliacated. And let’s take them out of the military because they are so easily brain washed. Next thing we know, “for our own good” we could be at a point here we are not allow to do anything. I would rather be seen as component and capable myself.

What I found interesting on that web site was a link to another thread entitled “My Infamous Advocacy of Male Infanticide” where she advocates aborting all the male children until the male population is marginal at the lest. I couldn’t help, when reading the title, of my own 2 ½ year old son. Suggesting we kill (not allow to be born) a human being simply because he has a penis, isn’t this sexist in the extreme?

This was the woman defending her belief of male infanticide:

“Oh, boy. Here we go again. mAndrea is right that, while the presumption of a natural male inclination toward violent subjugation of females has indeed been used to justify women’s oppression, it can also easily be used to justify extreme efforts toward our freedom from them.

We could do this by refusing to be mothers to males. Even in places where abortions or other adequate birth control are lacking, women could refuse to nurse male neonates. You may wonder what horrible tragedies would befall the poor women who didn’t give men the sons they demanded. Might they be beaten? Might they be raped? Might they be killed?

Women are being beaten, raped, murdered, sold, and dehumanized right now, in torture porn and elsewhere. I’d rather die fighting as one of the last generation of women to suffer at the hands of men than to live a life of patriarchy-provided comfort, at the expense the generations of daughters to come.

Now, perhaps once male numbers were manageable enough, once we’d stopped allowing them an automatic and entitled suckle at the female teat, we could consider the possibility of educating the brutality out of them. In the meantime, it is ridiculous to think that after 6000 years of this shit, a people who comprise 49 percent of the population, hold 98 percent of the wealth, and possess a greater physical strength than us are just going to start treating us like humans out of the kindness of their hearts.

I’m not trying to get into it with the mothers of sons, but I refuse, on a supposedly radical feminist forum, to pretend as if it wouldn’t have been better for most males never to have been born. Whether you choose to comfort yourself by including your own Nigel Jr. in that near non-existent minority of men who do not actively benefit from the oppression of women is your own business, and it’s certainly not relevant to radical feminism.

Oh, and just to cut certain complaints off at the bud, I’m not attacking anyone, merely pointing out the fact that any feminist discussion of men, let alone a radical feminist discussion of them, is necessarily, at least theoretically, about all men, including the ones you love. If we can expect men to come here and not whine about how different they are from the men with whom we take issue, then surely we should be able to expect the same from the women here with regard to the men in their lives.

The theoretical (and sometimes real) implication of all males, even loved ones, must be recognized. Even the most heinous of rapists, traffickers, and abusers have women in their lives who love them.”

http://walkwithjustice.wordpress.com/my-infamous-advocacy-of-male-infanticide/

Here’s one example:
http://walkwithjustice.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/all-men-are-rapists/

For more, check out my article from 1988, “Defining Feminism: A Comparative Historical Perspective” in SIGNS, and more recently my book European Feminisms.

First, I’d like to say that whether a feminist comes across as anti- male probably depends on which country they are from and which feminist micro-culture they are involved in. I have met some feminists who were, well, pretty rude, and I have met others who are quite kind. In the US, I sometimes had the feeling that some feminists are just not very friendly and I didn’t really feel comfortable around them.

I would definitely say that a person has to be much more cautious when talking to a feminist. Anything you might say could be cause for criticism. So sometimes I feel more relaxed around women who are not feminists because I don’t have to tiptoe around.

It also seems to me that some feminists are intolerant of other viewpoints about gender- related issues. I have thought about gender issues a lot, and I don’t always agree with feminists, and yet I often feel that if I express my point of view I will be subject to censure. I think feminists need to understand that men have very different experiences and that leads them to have different points of view, as they are subject to different socialization and pressures.

I don’t think that gender issues should just be the domain of feminists and their sympathizers, and I think that any attempt to make gender issues their “territory” is wrong, and will ultimately backfire in some of the attitudes you are addressing.

I might also add that I sometimes wonder if the women’s movement has not created a sense of entitlement in women. In the last year I had some very negative experiences of being mistreated by women, who were probably also influenced by feminism. Their attitude seemed to be that they could just treat me however they wanted to, without consideration of ethics or morality- its a kind of “me- first” attitude.

I know that you probably think that women have been taught to be self- sacrificing, and so they need to be encouraged to put themselves first, but there are times when I think that this is taken too far. Feminists may want to emphasize to their cohorts that although sometimes its necessary to be assertive, this doesn’t entail being unkind, even cruel, to others.

At the same time, I’d also like to give the women’s movement credit for what they have accomplished in terms of bringing justice to many people and helping to improve the conditions of women who are clearly subject to unfair treatment.

Some of it dates back to the feminists of the 70′s. Some of it to the feminists of the “academic speech code” 90′s. Some of it persists today. Some of it is due to the media, some of it
is due to feminists reluctance to distance themselves from their extreme fringe. And some of it is just due to the nature of ideleogical movements. Face it, when you’re purpose is to change the way people think and feel about certain issues you’re basically saying, “I’m right and you’re wrong.” You ain’t always going to get hugs and kisses in return.

“…gather some feminist readings of feminism, and some feminist perspectives on what it means to be a feminist.”

The deadline is Thursday, June 19, so get those responses in quickly. Complete details are available here. Should make for some interesting reading.

If you don’t think that that women take responsibility, you are wrong. Women are serving in the armed forces at higher rates than ever before (voluntarily). We take responsibility for our families, our jobs and our education. We don’t have a choice. And speaking of that financial aid, women have to pay back our loans making 77% of their equally qualified male counterparts. If you don’t see that as a problem, maybe you are anti-woman.

I agree, A.Y. Siu, I haven’t met a feminist yet who is anti-male, yet the idea persists. I consider myself a huge feminist, and two of the most trusted and beloved people in my life are my dad and my male partner.

Steffan, it’s unfortunate you haven’t had good experiences with feminists and think that being a feminist means being anti-male. You have posted on this blog before and seem to have a lot of anti-women views …

Valerie, thanks for your comment and I completely agree with you. I noticed the theme of religion in the responses of those who didn’t identify as a feminist but couldn’t figure out a way to put it as well as you did. As you note, those who shared that perspective didn’t seem to think having a man as the head of the household diminished their status as a woman. Hopefully that will remain true and they can be autonomous.

Alan, thanks for your comment and you’re right, there are many goals to go towards equality and it will be with the help of men like you that they are achieved.